I look forward not only to an attentive ear but practical solutions too.
Yours sincerely
Roy Emmerich
EUREC masters student 2008-2009
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At the beginning of December 2009 I then received an email from Ms Mazzucchelli with the promised official response which can be found here:
As far as I’m concerned the letter above tells me nothing more than what I can already get from the EUREC Masters Programme website. In fact I find a lot of it amounts to political blabbering. Trying to make oneself look more successful than you really are. However the most important points I thought were:
- the admission of guilt on a number of issues I raised,
- as well as the following quote: “However, we understand that it is far from being exhaustive and touching upon all the points that you have raised.“
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From: Paola Mazzucchelli
Date: 1 December 2009 13:35
Subject: RE: Open Letter of Complaint Concerning the EUREC Master Programme
Dear Roy,
Please, see attached the requested reply to your complaint letter.
We hope that it can be used as a basis for a fruitful discussion on 14th December 2009.
Kind regards
Paola Mazzucchelli
Secretary General
EUREC Agency
rue d´Arlon 63-67
B-1040 Brussels
Belgium
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Things got a bit hectic at this point as it was nearing the time of thesis hand in so I was unable to prepare properly for the meeting on the 14th of December 2009. It was in no way productive! It basically ended up in a slanging match with team Spain making a spirited attack claiming I didn’t know what I was talking about and team England saying that the core modules at the various universities (Loughborough, Oldenburg, Zaragoza and Ecole des Mines) were never intended to be the same. So I left Brussels with a heavy heart concerning these matters but was still resolute in wanting to find proper answers to my questions. Clearly this is an emotive topic and maybe the conversation is best conducted at a distance via email where people can carefully construct responses. So over the festive season I let things simmer down and burst out of the blocks with the following in mid February:
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From: Roy Emmerich
Date: 17 February 2010 14:05
Subject: Re: Open Letter of Complaint Concerning the EUREC Master Programme
To: Paola Mazzucchelli
Dear Ms Mazzucchelli,
On 1 December 2009 12:35, Paola Mazzucchelli wrote:
> Please, see attached the requested reply to your complaint letter.
> We hope that it can be used as a basis for a fruitful discussion on 14th December 2009.
[Roy]
I trust you had a restful festive season and have now had the time to settle back into the 2010 work year? I would very much like to update my blog with the most recent activities surrounding my letter of complaint which I wrote last year.
As I’m sure you are aware, many of the points in my letter were not discussed during this meeting. I would therefore like to offer you the opportunity, in conjunction with the EUREC Steering Committee, to supply me with a full, written response addressing each of my points in turn.
As I see it, the following items still need to be thoroughly addressed by the EUREC Masters Programme Steering Committee:
1. Course accreditation
2. Course fees
3. Poor website
4. Rubrics for core and specialisation providers
5. Keeping lecture notes updated
6. Finding a thesis
7. Practical aspects of the course (e.g. laboratories)
What I would really like you and the rest of the steering committee to realise is that my complaint isn’t just about a list of issues I have with the way things are managed. There is a higher goal to all of this. Essentially this goal is for the EUREC Masters in Renewable Energy to become the best degree for renewable energy training that is humanly possible to achieve. I think it is quite possible.
However from my perspective, the only certain thing I got from the meeting on 14 December 2009 is that the EUREC masters is made up of a consortium of universities, essentially following their own path, with no shared plan guiding the development of the degree, with the EUREC agency merely supplying the logo and fulfilling an administrative role. Instead I expected EUREC to be the driving force behind the development of the degree. I see no definitive leader of the programme. Without a leader you will get lost. In fact I think you (EUREC) probably lost your master programme visionary somewhere along the way and continue to muddle along somehow. This is hardly a recipe for success. Or at least this is the way I see things.
What frustrates me most is the lack of real engagement from the EUREC side. You say you are concerned but I don’t feel it. So please, if you want me to write something positive on my blog, respond to my letter with some form of concern, some iota of gusto or passion. Please!
One last thing. Next time there is a meeting where something as important as the points above are discussed, please have the decency to sit down, look the person in the eye and at least pretend you are concentrating! Somebody else can serve the beers.
Many thanks
Roy
P.S. I will leave it to you to forward this email to the rest of the
Steering Committee.
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I was expecting a terse response after an email like this and I certainly got it:
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From: Paola Mazzucchelli
Date: 18 February 2010 16:32
Subject: RE: Open Letter of Complaint Concerning the EUREC Master Programme
To: Roy Emmerich
Dear Roy,
To my knowledge, all your issues were discussed.
You also received an official letter from us sometime ago explaining the actions that we were taking and that you promised to upload on your blog.
Kind regards,
Paola Mazzucchelli
EUREC Agency
Secretary General
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To which I responded in detail pointing out, what I thought was a very clear manner, how my points had in no way been adequately answered:
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From: Roy Emmerich
Date: 25 February 2010 23:56
Subject: Re: Open Letter of Complaint Concerning the EUREC Master Programme
To: Paola Mazzucchelli
Dear Ms Mazzucchelli,
[Ms Mazzucchelli]
> To my knowledge, all your issues were discussed.
[Roy]
Only some aspects were discussed at the meeting in Brussels on 14 December 2009 but, from my perspective, there was certainly no clear consensus reached. Furthermore, your letter of response only goes so far as to acknowledge guilt on a number of the points I raised but I don’t think this is sufficient. As the letter of complaint from the 2005-2006 EUREC students attests, many of the same issues were raised then and still no improvement is visible. Therefore, below is a list of the questions I would like answered in a clear and unambiguous way with certain requests for concrete information, ideas and timelines. Once this information has been provided I will leave you in peace and then you (the EUREC Steering Committee) can be held accountable by those students who come after me and hopefully also by the newly formed alumni group.
My questions:
1. In your response letter you mention a EUREC Master equivalence certificate. You mention that this letter from EUREC is “fully
recognised in their own country.”
1.1 Please substantiate this claim with written proof?
1.2 Would the EUREC Master equivalence certificate be recognised by other institutions in these countries? Please substantiate this claim with written proof?
1.3 Would the EUREC Master equivalence certificate be recognised by the rest of Europe? Please substantiate this claim with written proof?
1.4 Would the EUREC Master equivalence certificate be recognised by the rest of the world? Please substantiate this claim with written proof?
1.5 If you are unable to substantiate questions 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 and 1.4, may I ask when the course will be accredited, either individually in each of the consortium member countries or via a blanket accord such as the Bologna Process?
2. How much money does EUREC require to administer each student for the duration of the course?
3. In your response letter you acknowledge the poor state of the EUREC masters website. By when and how will the website layout and content be improved?
4. In your response letter you acknowledge that EUREC needs to assist students more with finding project placements.
4.1 How will new students be timeously provided with the spreadsheet that you maintain which holds the details of previous EUREC master student projects without having to ask for it personally?
4.2 In what other ways will EUREC provide further assistance for project placements and by when will this support be in place?
5. Will EUREC provide a searchable, online database of all publicly available, completed master theses? Here is a good example of how a competitor is doing this:
Theses title list
http://newenergy.tuwien.ac.at/english/students/master_theses/
Full text download:
http://tinyurl.com/yekp7cu
6. It is clear the content taught by the various core providers, as well as the teaching methods used, is very different.
6.1 Is there an intention by EUREC to iron out these differences by moving towards a common rubric for the core providers? If so, how and by when will this be achieved?
6.2 If this is not the case, how and by when will these differences be conveyed to prospective students so that they are able to make an informed decision regarding which core provider would suit them best?
6.3 Is there any intention to supply a more detailed course breakdown for each of the specialisation modules so that students are able to make a more informed decision regarding which specialisation would suit them best or whether this degree is able to meet their expectations? If so, how and by when will this be done?
7. Is there any intention for EUREC to get to know exactly what is taught by each of the member institutions and to systematically evaluate the quality of the teaching and materials or will this continue to be based purely on a trust relationship as stated by Prof. Mayer at the meeting in Brussels on 14 December 2009?
Many thanks for your understanding on these matters which are so important to me,
Regards
Roy
P.S. Once again I will leave it to you to forward this email to the remainder of the EUREC Steering Committee.
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At this point it certainly seemed to me EUREC was playing a political strategy game with me, hoping, now that I had graduated, I would just go away and shut the hell up. Well I can be a rather determined bloke and I would really like to bring this discussion to some meaningful conclusion. As usual Ms Mazzucchelli humoured me with a response:
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From: Paola Mazzucchelli
Date: 11 March 2010 19:54
Subject: RE: Open Letter of Complaint Concerning the EUREC Master Programme
To: Roy Emmerich
1.1 http://www.master.eurec.be/node/14
1.2 http://www.master.eurec.be/node/14
1.3 http://www.master.eurec.be/node/14
1.4 http://www.master.eurec.be/node/14. We have provided a European Diploma Supplement to different non-EU students who applied to PhDs outside Europe (e.g. Canada)
2. Total cost for EUREC is 9.000EUR for EU students and 11.000EUR for non-EU students.
3. Content will be improved/updated before the beginning of next AY in September/October 2010. Changes to the layout will be discussed in 2011.
4.1 They’ll have a projects list by the end of March 2010 with all additional information on project regulations
4.2 We sent information on students (degree, core, spec, field of interest…) to all our contacts by mid-February requesting them to contact those students who looked interesting to them
5. This might be discussed in 2011. It is not a priority in 2010.
6.1 This is not the point of the EUREC Master, as you were told in December. The core semester provides the students with the same level of knowledge on RETs to then move to the chosen spec. The fact that no students coming from the same core have repeatedly failed the chosen spec. clearly shows that our objective is reached
6.2 It will be made clearer on the website
6.3 Core universities are supposed to additionally provide help to the students on the choice of specializations. We will have the universities to provide us with updated course content to be uploaded on the website before the beginning of next AY
7. This is regularly discussed and done by the Steering Committee+ through students’ feedbacks collected before the end of the course
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During this period I went on a long holiday back home to South Africa and, upon my return to Germany, started a new job. This topic naturally fell to the bottom of my priority list and took a while to surface again. But when it did I responded to Ms. Mazzucchelli with an email stating that I was unfortunately still not satisfied with her answers:
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From: Roy Emmerich
Date: 7 June 2010 01:38
Subject: Re: Open Letter of Complaint Concerning the EUREC Master Programme
To: Paola Mazzucchelli
Dear Ms Mazzucchelli,
My apologies for the slow response. I’ve recently returned from a holiday to South Africa and am busy settling into my new job. Life got a lot busier again. It reminds me a bit of Oldenburg.
[Roy 1]
1. In your response letter you mention a EUREC Master equivalence certificate. You mention that this letter from EUREC is “fully recognised in their own country.”
1.1 Please substantiate this claim with written proof?
[Ms Mazzucchelli]
http://www.master.eurec.be/node/14
[Roy 2]
I would still like to be able to download, from the EUREC website, 4 official documents from the 4 core universities which state that the degree has been through some form of accreditation overseen by recognised groups within each member country which are independent of the people who are involved with the degree.
As an example, I will quote section 8.3 (Approval/Accreditation of Programmes and Degrees in the German Higher Education System) from a document which was included in the info pack handed to me at my graduation by Edu Knagge.
“To ensure quality and comparability of qualifications, the organization of studies and general degree requirements have to conform to principles and regulations established by the Standing Conference of Ministers of Education and Cultural Affairs of the Länder in the Federal Republic of Germany (KMK). In 1999, a system of accreditation for programmes of study has become operational under the control of an Accreditation Council at national level. All new programmes have to be accredited under this scheme; after a successful accreditation they receive the quality-label of the Accreditation Council.”
Now, I would really appreciate being able to download a document from this German Accreditation Council stating that my degree, based in Oldenburg, has been approved. Is this possible?
Another question. Is the German Accreditation Council aware of the EUREC Master equivalence certificate?
[Roy]
2. How much money does EUREC require to administer each student for the duration of the course?
[Ms Mazzucchelli]
Total cost for EUREC is 9.000EUR for EU students and 11.000EUR for non-EU students.
[Roy 2]
Either you don’t understand my question (highly unlikely) or you are trying to sidestep it (i.e. not answer it clearly). What I want to know is the following. The EUREC office in Brussels has to pay for office space, staff, stationary, electricity, water, etc. to administer the EUREC master programme. I would like to know how much this cost amounts to as a Euro/student number.
Let me be even clearer. Consider my case. I paid 11000 Euro for the course. Of this fee, Oldenburg was paid 2300 Euro, Kassel was paid 2500 Euro and the rest (6200 Euro) went to the EUREC office. I would like to know how much of the money that the EUREC office kept was used on administration tasks? I’m expecting it to be a fixed number as per the fixed amounts that go to the universities. I’m also expecting it to be MUCH less than the amount the universities need to teach us as the amount of work the EUREC office puts into administration can in no way be compared to the work the universities put into teaching the students.
Let’s be outrageous and assume all students in my year were European and went to Loughborough and Northumbria. Total fees paid per student would be 9000 Euro. University costs would be 2 x 3650 = 7300 Euro, leaving 1700 Euro per student for EUREC admin fees. Now this is the worst case scenario. I know that a very high percentage of your students are non-European and very few of them attend the Loughborough, UK core (due mainly to the high cost, only 2 out of 36 did the core there in my year).
So what I’m trying to find out from you is where all the money goes and whether you know where it goes or whether it is just spent without having a firm grasp on what it is being spent on or whether it could be spent on better things. I want a fixed number, essentially a budget, something that you would have drawn up at the beginning of the year to get a grip on your expenses. Do you have this information available? I hope my question and my motives are crystal clear now?
[Roy]
3. In your response letter you acknowledge the poor state of the EUREC masters website. By when and how will the website layout and content be improved?
[Ms Mazzucchelli]
Content will be improved/updated before the beginning of next AY in September/October 2010. Changes to the layout will be discussed in 2011.
[Roy 2]
Upon reflection I realise words like “improve” are qualitative and therefore very difficult to measure. Is there a more concrete yardstick you can provide by which this progress can be measured?
[Roy]
4. In your response letter you acknowledge that EUREC needs to assist students more with finding project placements.
4.1 How will new students be timeously provided with the spreadsheet that you maintain which holds the details of previous EUREC master student projects without having to ask for it personally?
[Ms Mazzucchelli]
They’ll have a projects list by the end of March 2010 with all additional information on project regulations
[Roy 2]
Would it not make sense to provide students this list upon registration? That way they would have more time to investigate options. Another idea would be to encourage them to sign up for the free online magazine, Renewable Energy World (http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/magazine). This contains lots of adverts for companies in the RE industry as well as being an instant window into their chosen new world. This is an easy, “no effort on your part” suggestion.
[Roy]
4.2 In what other ways will EUREC provide further assistance for project placements and by when will this support be in place?
[Ms Mazzucchelli]
We sent information on students (degree, core, spec, field of interest…) to all our contacts by mid-February requesting them to contact those students who looked interesting to them
[Roy 2]
I don’t think this is an effective approach. I don’t know of anybody who has successfully landed a project from the EUREC contacts. Maybe you need to rethink your approach. Why not ask the students themselves how you could best assist them? After all they are the ones needing the help. It is best to ask the current batch for feedback each year around the early October mark, before things get too busy near the submission date. Feedback from this year could then be evaluated and implemented for the following year. This iterative approach will eventually result in the most effective help for students. And if the students see you actually being helpful they will be more willing to give suggestions.
[Roy]
5. Will EUREC provide a searchable, online database of all publicly available, completed master theses? Here is a good example of how a competitor is doing this:
Theses title list
http://newenergy.tuwien.ac.at/english/students/master_theses/
Full text download:
http://tinyurl.com/yekp7cu
[Ms Mazzucchelli]
This might be discussed in 2011. It is not a priority in 2010.
[Roy 2]
Okay, I have put this deadline on my calendar to remind me to contact you for feedback by the end of February 2011.
[Roy]
6. It is clear the content taught by the various core providers, as well as the teaching methods used, is very different.
6.1 Is there an intention by EUREC to iron out these differences by moving towards a common rubric for the core providers? If so, how and by when will this be achieved?
[Ms Mazzucchelli]
This is not the point of the EUREC Master, as you were told in December. The core semester provides the students with the same level of knowledge on RETs to then move to the chosen specialisation.
[Roy 2]
Can you not see you are contradicting yourself? I say the material taught in the cores should be standardised or at least made similar. You say it is not the point for the cores to be the same/similar, but then go on to state, “The core semester provides students with the same level of knowledge of RETs.” Now this statement is complete nonsense! This is absolute mis-information Ms Mazzucchelli. The cores could not be more dissimilar than they currently are. It is quite clear the various programmes have developed in complete isolation of each other and are masquerading as one, unified course behind the EUREC logo. At best this is a wish, at worst an out and out lie!
If it is not your intention to standardise the core modules then I’d strongly suggest you make it abundantly clear to prospective students that the cores are completely different and were never intended to be the same. It should be made clear that each university decides independently what is taught and how it is taught. It is then your (EUREC’s) responsibility to get each core to provide a detailed curriculum saying exactly what is taught and how it is taught so that students can choose which core they would like to attend.
Anything less would be misleading.
[Roy]
6.3 Is there any intention to supply a more detailed course breakdown for each of the specialisation modules so that students are able to make a more informed decision regarding which specialisation would suit them best or whether this degree is able to meet their expectations? If so, how and by when will this be done?
[Ms Mazzucchelli]
Core universities are supposed to additionally provide help to the students on the choice of specializations. We will have the universities to provide us with updated course content to be uploaded on the website before the beginning of next AY
[Roy 2]
So the deadline for the applications for the next academic year are at the end of July 2010 if I’m not mistaken? Has any progress been made in this regard?
[Roy]
7. Is there any intention for EUREC to get to know exactly what is taught by each of the member institutions and to systematically evaluate the quality of the teaching and materials or will this continue to be based purely on a trust relationship as stated by Prof. Mayer at the meeting in Brussels on 14 December 2009?
[Ms Mazzucchelli]
This is regularly discussed and done by the Steering Committee+ through students’ feedbacks collected before the end of the course
[Roy 2]
I don’t think this is sufficient. I believe this information would strongly support my point above, in providing a detailed breakdown for each specialisation for prospective students.
The feeling I get is that the EUREC office doesn’t actually know what gets taught in either the core or specialisation modules. In detail that is. You may have a “hand wavy” overview but I don’t think you really know what gets taught at an in-depth level. What worries me even more is that you don’t have the technical capacity to know what should be taught or at least provide educated suggestions for improvement. There is no committee who can provide sound advice on how the programmes should evolve over a period of time.
Let me give you an example. The Kassel specialisation was set up mainly by two men, namely Ingo Stadler and Franz Kinninger. Naturally this was under the guidance of Prof. Jürgen Schmid and I presume Telsche Nielsen was there to offer her advice, albeit from a technically unqualified standpoint. Now if we look at this department today, you will notice that not one of these people is still in the employ of Kassel University. As far as I know there has been very little development of the course work since it was set up by Messers Stadler and Kinninger in 2002. You, Ms Mazzucchelli, are also very new to the EUREC office and are probably unaware of these facts. I’m also not certain who is responsible for making sure the Kassel specialisation is kept up to date. Is it just the Kassel employees? Or should the EUREC office somehow be involved too? From my vantage point it looks like a house of cards waiting to be blown over by the very slightest of breezes.
Can you tell me what sort of knowledge transfer has occurred from Prof. Schmid and Telsche Nielsen to the new incumbent, Prof Dr. Debora Coll-Mayor? Will she just take up the reigns and keep things as they are or will the course be changed completely? Do you care? Should you care? I think you should care deeply about what goes on in Kassel. In fact you should be doing a lot more than just caring, you should be making sure the content adheres to some master plan that is frequently reviewed by some or other board of expert renewable energy engineers convened by the EUREC office. It’s these types of aspects that unsettle me Ms Mazzucchelli. You are at the whim of the people who head up each core and specialisation module. You (EUREC) provide absolutely no quality control and I don’t think you are currently able to. This is an unacceptable situation to me and unfortunately, until I see a change for the better, I will continue to encourage people to look wider when considering enrolling in the EUREC master programme.
I look forward to your response with anticipation.
Regards
Roy
P.S. Please note that I intend publishing this email conversation on my blog when it reaches a logical conclusion.
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And if you’ve managed to follow things down to here then you really are a keen bean! Well done. But if you’ve been paying attention then you will notice that this saga is far from over. I will continue to push until either I get to a point where I’m making some headway or hit a brick wall of resistance. Either way you will hear from me sooner or later. I at least hope this will provide some (a lot perhaps?) feedback about what has been going on behind the scenes.